Boardroom SX80: Good afternoon. Welcome to our hybrid BCDC. Commission meeting. My name is Rebecca Eisen. I am the vice chair of BCDC. Our esteemed chairs at Wasserman cannot be here today.
Boardroom SX80: and Larry and I were reminded of the
Boardroom SX80: famous Yogi Bera comment that if you can’t imitate them, don’t try to copy them. So I’m not going to try to copy them today. But before we get started I do want to note that item 9 on the agenda has been taken off. It regards pending legislation. It has been cancelled for the day.
Boardroom SX80: I also want to thank. thank Prior Chair Randol, for offering to step, step in if I were not able to do this today. Thank you so much.
Boardroom SX80: our first order of business is to call the role commissioners. If you are participating, participating virtually, please unmute yourselves and then mute yourselves again after responding. Raylina, will you play? Please call the role
Boardroom SX80: vice your eisen
Boardroom SX80: here. Commissioner Aviation Commissioner on here, Commissioner Oregon, President. Commissioner Burt, here Commissioner Ekland, present
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Joya.
John Gioia, Commissioner: here
Dr. Andrew Gunther, Commissioner: Commissioner Gunther, here
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Haz.
Karl Hasz, Commissioner: here
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Peskin, present
Dave Pine, Commissioner: Commissioner Pine. Here
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Randolph.
Boardroom SX80: here Commissioner, show Walter, here
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Beach.
Boardroom SX80: present Commissioner Kishimoto
Yoriko Kishimoto, Commissioner: here. Sorry about that Commissioner Pemberton.
Sheri Pemberton, Commissioner: here
John Vasquez, Commissioner: Commissioner Vasquez, here
Barry Nelson, Commissioner: Commissioner Nelson, here.
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Gilmore.
Marie Gilmore, Commissioner: here
Boardroom SX80: did I forget anyone?
Boardroom SX80: 19 Commissioners present?
Boardroom SX80: Thank you. Really, really, we have a quorum present. So we are duly constituted to conduct business.
Boardroom SX80: Our next order of business is public comment. If anyone wants to address the Commission on any matter that is not on the agenda, or has not yet been. The subject of a public hearing. You can do so now. You have 3 min to do so. Are there any members of the public in the room that wish to speak.
Boardroom SX80: If so, please come up to the podium.
Boardroom SX80: I don’t see any. So, Raylina. Are there any on the phone who want to participate virtually. Yes, we have one public comment from Mark Zephatello. Thank you. You may begin. You have 3 min to address the commission.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: Thank you good morning or Good afternoon, Commissioners. My name is Mark Sepatello. I submitted written comments and photos concerning the Bay Area Council’s ongoing violations of the public access requirements of the Commission’s permit for the calamit.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: Last year the Commission adopted a comprehensive set of amendments to its enforcement regulations to promote transparency, consistency and fairness and provide standards for the exercises of enforcement, discretion. One amendments defines the term significant harm to the base resources or existing or future public access, as determined, based on both the context and intensity of violations.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: Considering those factors, the Council’s continuing violations are causing significant harm to public access. Context is that the violations are occurring in one of the most highly visible and frequently used locations along the entire shoreline. Hundreds or more pedestrians passed by the calamit every day, but due to the Council’s Ferry to install any public access signage or required amenities on Pier 9. The public has no way to know that the public access exists
Marc ZEPPETELLO: as to the intensity of the violations. For 9 months the Commission has failed to provide public access for improvements on the main deck for the upper deck, public access improvements on Pier 9,
Marc ZEPPETELLO: or any public access or wayfaring site
Marc ZEPPETELLO: way of finding signage. For 6 months the Council failed to provide public access to the root deck.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: These violations have precluded the public’s ability to use required public access, and if encompassed, all or large portions of required public access.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: where violations have caused significant harm to public access.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: The Commission’s regulations state that the Executive Director Shale commence Commission and Enforcement proceedings by issuing a violation report and complaint for administrative civil liability.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: I know that the Council has not necessarily gotten a pass on enforcement.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: but with a violator that has knowingly disregarded permit requirements for 9 months, and has been recalcitrant in responding to staff.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: simply allowing more time as a recipe for more excuses and arguments that staff will have to respond to further delay and piecemeal compliance.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: a lesson that I learned in serving as BCDC’s chief council, and Larry knows this. Is that the best way to resolve an Enforcement investigation is for the Executive director to issue a violation report and complaint and bring the matter to the Enforcement Committee and the commission.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: There is nothing like it to provide incentive for a violator to work constructively with staff, and the matter will be fully and finally resolved relatively quickly, under the time springs established by the regulations.
Marc ZEPPETELLO: Thank you for your consideration, and I urge the Commissioners to review the staff’s excellent June twelfth letter, which discusses violations in addition to those presented in my materials. Thank you.
Boardroom SX80: Thank you. Are there any other commenters there is? There is one more public comment from Lucia luck, Meyer, please unmute yourself.
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): I am a resident at Oyster Cove, Marina, and I wanted to bring up the
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): The fact that that many of us
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): have gone to many of the meetings that the Kilroy Company provided, and we were never apprised of anything happening with oyster covering until we received eviction notices
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): and we had asked multiple times if there would be any kind of movement or anything, and they said, Don’t worry, There’s nothing. Repeatedly we were told there’s nothing to worry about, and it’s not. It’s not on the the radar. Just don’t worry about it. We even went to South City
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): planning commission, and we’re told not to worry from them as well. So essentially, we were brushed aside, and I do know that they have an item on the agenda, and I the the equity meeting that you had several months ago just rings in my ears still, because
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): this is an equity issue. If there ever was one. There’s so many people there that are elderly displaced in so many ways. One of our residents is now in a homeless shelter, and has been for the last several months. We have
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): mostly older people, people of color, people who live on the margins and don’t have you know education who are differently able and and don’t have the skills to get high paying jobs in the Bay area. They had homes. They had great homes, and those homes are now effectively washed away, and I know that there some of their
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): rationale for building some of the things that they’re going to be building in that space. That is oyster co for arena. Is that There’ll be. There’ll be
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): possibly digging up and putting pylons in. From what I saw from one of the plans
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): previously. tidline marine group
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): reported that they would. The water there was way, too contaminated to be messed with. So
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): if they, if it was too contaminated to dredge the the 3 docs that we were on, why is it now okay for them to go building things there. And and I’m just.
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): I’m still highly upset about it, because it just seems so wrong. you know, to take away people’s homes like that, and and with minimal
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): care and and effort south, since the city of San Francisco did a lot. But the the property managers and owners themselves, they didn’t do it. They did the bare minimum, if that they did what they were compelled to do. And they’re going to put in something pretty. But again, this is capitalism. Run, am up, and it’s distressing and disheartening, and I hope that you have some
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): You can say something to address some of those things that that come up. Thank you very much.
Boardroom SX80: Thank you. There are. There is an agenda item later that people will have a chance to comment on. But are there any more comments regarding items that are not on our agenda today? There is one additional comment from Matt Klein. Please unmute yourself.
matt klein: Yes.
matt klein: Hello! I I guess for Lucia one of the other activists here trying to
matt klein: place people who were displaced by Kilroy.
matt klein: I want to restate what she said we were to see we had an an agreement with Greenland Corporation. And is this something that we that I should be later commenting on, I I don’t think so. And the item on the agenda it was just Greenland Corporation would previously own. This
matt klein: was agreeing with us, we would not be displaced, and, as Lucy had said, we were completely brushed aside. we weren’t answered, we were deceived so that we would not be active.
matt klein: you were told it was okay. And the city of South San Francisco was at the original meeting with Greenland. and I told this everything was going to be fine
matt klein: where they had worked to ensure that we were not going to be displaced. Then the individual that was at that meeting now he won’t talk to us.
matt klein: there’s been a lot of real good hard work done by Commissioner Pine. and members of the City Council of South San Francisco. But I
matt klein: you know this is, it’s just really unsatisfactory.
matt klein: and I want you to keep that in mind in your dealings with Kilroy.
matt klein: thank you.
Boardroom SX80: Thank you. Again. We do have an item later on the agenda that there will be an opportunity to comment on. Are there any further comments about items that are not on the agenda.
Boardroom SX80: No further public comment.
Boardroom SX80: Thank you. All right. The next order of business, then, is to approve our draft minutes from our last meeting, which was June first, 2,023, I would appreciate a motion and a second to approve the minutes
Boardroom SX80: on seconds. Thank you. Commissioner Randolph moves Commissioner on Seconds. Does anybody wish to abstain from this motion?
Dr. Andrew Gunther, Commissioner: This is Gunther. I’ll abstain. I wasn’t at the meeting.
Boardroom SX80: Okay, Commissioner Peskin, you’re abstaining also. Thank you. Yes, as Chair Wasserman often reminds us, you’re not obligated to have been at the last meeting to vote on the minutes, but you’re perfectly welcome to do so. If you wish to abstain any objections to the motion to adopt the minutes.
Boardroom SX80: All right. Seeing them, they are adopted.
Boardroom SX80: The next item on our agenda is the report of the chair. first, with respect to our rising sea Levels working group.
Boardroom SX80: I want to remind the Commissioners and the public that we shall hold a virtual meeting of the rising sea levels working group on the morning of July twentieth.
which is the same day as our regular regularly scheduled commission meeting
Boardroom SX80: the agenda for that working group meeting will center on how our regulatory program will become more aligned with our planning and with our Bay adap programs
among other issues. And I’m sure that Chair Wasserman is also going to touch on issues of authority and jurisdiction as well.
Boardroom SX80: executive director goals. Ban has let me know that he will be describing in general terms the logistics of our Commission meeting starting next month, as the Bagley keen requirements are now returning to pre-pandemic status.
Boardroom SX80: Our next Bcdc. Meeting is not going to be held on July sixth. That meeting has been cancelled. Our next meeting will be held on July twentieth. It will be a regular hybrid meeting, as we now understand that term, and I, along with our chair. Encourage all of the commissioners to attend that meeting on July twentieth in person. If you can.
Boardroom SX80: There will be new noticing requirements for those commissioners who attend. Virtually. Larry is going to describe them for us, and at that July twentieth meeting the agenda may contain some of the following matters, or all of the following matters.
Boardroom SX80: one consideration of legislative positions and possible votes thereon, to consideration of a permit application for a project at 7 7 7 Airport boulevard in Burling game.
Boardroom SX80: 3. Consideration of a contract for a facilitator to assist with our EPA sediment, grant
Boardroom SX80: for a briefing on the recent Us. Supreme Court wetlands ruling, which we heard a little bit about at our last meeting.
and 5 a briefing on compliance at the Oyster Point, Marina, in South San Francisco.
Boardroom SX80: That brings us to ex-parte communications. If commissioners you have inadvertently forgotten to provide staff with a report on any written or oral exp-party communication commissioners may do so now, by raising your hand and unmuting yourself.
Boardroom SX80: I don’t see any hands in the room. Anybody on the screen. Yeah.
all right, seeing none. We will now turn to the executive director’s report.
Boardroom SX80: Thank you, Chair.
Although our spring weather hasn’t been terribly warm that has not diminished the Bay Area’s demand for ice cream. whether you’re a fan of the artists and products that promote new and innovative flavors. Or, if you’re like, I am, and consistently order a hot fudge Sunday with vanilla ice cream whenever possible. We all need to thank Jacob Fussell of Baltimore.
Boardroom SX80: Fussle was a dairy farmer who found himself with a surfeit of cream in the spring of 1851. So on this day, 182 years ago, he started the first commercial ice cream factory and distribution system, and for those of you who prefer your frozen dessert in a cone, and nobody said it better than Charles Shultz, who once wrote that life is like an ice cream cone. You have to lick it one day at a time.
Boardroom SX80: as promised. Our 5 undergraduates interns started this week, and I see at least a few of them in the audience. In many respects they are a very diverse crew, but I should note that our cohort is made up entirely of women. You each received a memo from me last week listing them, but just in case you missed it, let me introduce you to them, and, as I call your name, please do stand up. DC. DC’s diverse undergraduate interns are Olivia Reed, of Richmond
Boardroom SX80: and Orange, from Syracuse University, working with Angela Noble, BC. DC’s records manager, Tolene Cochran, of Fresno. There you are, a California Golden Bear is working with Todd Helenbeck in our Gis program, and Ava Hawkins, of Anna Cortis. Washington, also from Cal, is working with Bcdc’s Environmental Justice staff.
The California State University Coast Internship Program is providing us with Roxanne Wilkerson, of Petaluma, who is a sea wolf from Sonoma State University, and is working where they are adapting to rise and tides program and the Gis program.
Boardroom SX80: Last, but not least. Alessandra Mohar of Oakland, is a cardinal from Stanford. She’s working with our E. J. Program as well, and yes, they will make a presentation to you in August about their experiences at B. C. DC. They are certainly concerned about that, but they will before then likely participate in various meetings with commissioners. Speaking of future presentation. Sean Williamson, our relatively new head of our financial Services group, will give you a rundown of BCDC’s Budget situation in early fall, as we usually do.
for now I will tell you that the larger than expected staff, turnover, and vacant positions has provided B. C. DC. With an extra large buffer of funding this year
Boardroom SX80: more on that. A little bit later, speaking of good budget news, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has just announced its plans to distribute almost 3 billion dollars over the next few years to build climate, ready coasts under the bipartisan infrastructure law. These grants are designed to increase resilience through landscape scale, habitat restoration, and coastal ecosystems, and promote coastal resilience and underserved coastal communities.
Bcdc. Will receive a portion of these monies and a non-competitive award that we shall use to increase our own capacity to move those types of projects forward along the Bay shoreline.
In addition, we and Senior Coastal Commission and Coastal Conservancy Staff have started to discuss how the California Coastal Zone Management program overall will apply for the competitive portion of these grants. Noah will launch a separate program with other Federal funds that will be made available to non-costal zone management agencies as well.
Boardroom SX80: It was only a year ago or so that the Commission considered the Bay Plan Amendment proposed by the Oakland Athletics to enable the team to build a new ballpark and mixed use development on Howard Terminal. And may I say? We all know how that went, how time flies meanwhile, as promised. Then B Cdc. Is in the process this week of distributing its draft seaport plan update.
We have scheduled a meeting of the Seaport Plan Advisory Committee, chaired by Vice Chair Eisen, and including Commissioner Haz for the last week of July. I encourage you all to take a look at the draft and see how Corey, Man and Eric Beaman of our staff have adapted the many lessons that we learned while working on the athletics proposal to the existing seaport planning process.
After both internal and external discussions, our staff is proposing a host of changes to the current processes and structure, and we look forward to this facts, review and suggestions. In addition, I have a meeting with the Bay Area’s 5 port directors at the end of this month, so I’ll likely get a preview of their thoughts.
Just as Peggy at well retired BCDC. Staff completed working with the department of General services to earn our purchasing accreditation. For the next 3 years the Dgs analysts are concluding their review right now. Actually we have submitted an improvement plan to their procurement. Pardon me, procurement, office of small business and development and disabled veteran business enterprise services
to increase our procurement from such organisations, and we’ll take advantage of various outreach programs to do so. The progress of this review is due to the efforts of Reggie Abbott sitting right over there, and Janet Williams over the last 4 months BCDC. Looks forward to directing increasing amounts of funds to disadvantage business enterprise in alignment with its strategic equity goals.
Last Thursday, B. C. DC. Was notified by the U. S. Fish and wildlife service that at least one geophone block, the size of a small recreational vehicle had floated up to the surface and rotated along Highway 37. Close to the services Cullen and Restoration project.
Boardroom SX80: Geophone blocks replaced below the Rod roadway as a lightweight fill to keep the highway from settling on unstable soils. When the Restoration project was undertaken by fish and wildlife
Boardroom SX80: to ensure that the relatively small portion of the embankment could be restored quickly prior to other portions of the geophone embankment substructure. Failing because they are all connected. Chair washman approved an emergency permit that allowed placement of additional rock on top of the restored embankment.
Now for the information for which you have all been waiting. Starting on July first. Public access requirements for public meetings held by Bcdc. Will revert to back to pre-pandemic, badly keen requirements. This means that commission meetings and various advisory boards, but not for Commissioner. Working groups must include at least one Commissioner present at 375 Beale Street.
Boardroom SX80: and while commissioners can continue to participate virtually by a zoom. During such meetings the venue from which they are participating must be open to the public, be accessible, and it be addressed publicly, and and it is in its address publicly noticed as part of the Bcdc. Agenda, no less than 10 days prior to the meeting.
Boardroom SX80: our working groups, because they are less formal and not quasi adjudicatory, will continue to be held virtually, and when we have solid information regarding how we, along with Mtc. A. Bag and the Air District plan to create publicly available venues in a few different locations around the Bay Area. You will be the first to know
we shall distribute a memo to commissioners and alternates next week, detailing the requirements that B. C. DC. Will follow the it is almost in final form right here.
Boardroom SX80: Fine, and I’m happy to answer any questions. Finally, Chair Randolph, I have some very good news to report on a B Cdc. Partner.
Perhaps the greatest legacy of any Coastal Zone management leader is that of Margaret A. Davis.
Boardroom SX80: Margaret founded Noah’s office for coastal management.
She initiated Noah’s climate adaptation work and was a driving force behind countless other endeavors.
Boardroom SX80: The Association of State Flood. Plain managers recently created the Margaret A. Davidson award for excellence in climate change adaptation.
and has awarded that first honor to Janelle Kelman, of the Sasalito City Council. Ms. Kalman, who was elected the Council in 2,020, recognized when she took office, that Sas Toledo needed to create a comprehensive climate program, but also discovered that many, if not most, other, elected officials and local decision makers in smaller cities and towns around the Us. Face the same challenge.
Boardroom SX80: So she founded the center for sea rise solutions, a nonprofit focused on helping those officials develop and implement coastal resilience plans. Janelle is also a strong champion of engaging women and people of color and coastal resilience. Bcd. She is proud to recognize City Council Member Kelman and looks forward to continuing to work with her and Marin County Supervisor Stephanie molten Peters. As we create a regional shoreline adaptation plan
that completes my report chair ice, and I’m happy to answer any questions.
John Gioia, Commissioner: I see the generous you chair Joy already, or or your joy already has his up. I’m one of my favorite subjects. Thanks for that remote participation. As a number of commissioners here know who serve on regional bodies.
John Gioia, Commissioner: There are already established some sub regional public locations, and including by by various elected officials themselves or other agencies. And I would strongly recommend that it sounds like you’re doing that. The B Cdc. Reach out and determine those locations.
John Gioia, Commissioner: because I there, there is a great interest by regional board members and commissioners to not have to always go into San Francisco, and I know the North. There’s been a location in the North Bay. There’s been several in the East Bay, including my office.
John Gioia, Commissioner: There’s been South Bay, West Bay, and I think we should have those in place and options available for people To sometimes not have to duplicate and set up new ones. So sounds like you’re you’re exploring that. And I’m glad to have my office continue to be in East Bay location.
Boardroom SX80: May I answer? Raelina has already started discussing this with the Mtc. A. Bag and air district folks. and so we hope to have some solid information to you within the next couple of weeks. Certainly. Well, prior to the July 15 meeting.
John Gioia, Commissioner: Thanks.
Boardroom SX80: and I apologize. It’s July 20, not July 15.
Pat Eklund, Commissioner: Commissioner Ecklin, do you have a question of our executive director? actually, also a statement. I have been using our Nevada
Pat Eklund, Commissioner: administrative building. We have a conference room that is accessible to the public. has. It’s all Ada. And as all buildings are now anyone government buildings, and I’d be very interested in talking with the executive director about
Pat Eklund, Commissioner: using Nevada or some some place in rent, because I think that we need to have another location
Pat Eklund, Commissioner: and it also saves greenhouse gas emissions. And
Pat Eklund, Commissioner: I’ve been really trying to encourage somebody to try to keep track of it. At least, maybe B Cdc could be the first, because I think that’s really important for us to.
Pat Eklund, Commissioner: We have also the benefit to the environment by everybody not driving in you know, twice a month. So so, Larry, if we could have a chat that would be great
Boardroom SX80: happy any other comments or questions for our executive director.
Boardroom SX80: thank you. And thank you, and welcome to all of the interns. Thank you for showing up today. It’s very nice to see faces with names. Really appreciate it. Good luck to you.
Boardroom SX80: The next item on our agenda is consideration of administrative matters. Deputy executive Director Steve Goldbeck is available. If any of you have any questions regarding the administrative listing that we mailed on June ninth.
Boardroom SX80: Any questions or comments for
Boardroom SX80: Executive Director Steve Colbeck.
Boardroom SX80: seeing none, we move to Item 8 on our agenda, a commission consideration of a permit application at 385 Oyster Point Boulevard in South San Francisco.
Boardroom SX80: ethan L. Bye, who is our assistant regulatory director for climate ad adaptation, and also our former manager of our Bay Shoreline development team, is going to introduce the item to us.
Boardroom SX80: Ethan. you ready? Yes, thank you. Chair and and commissioners.
Boardroom SX80: On June second you were mailed a summary of an application by Kr. Oyster point 3 Llc. For a 27 acre life science office campus. The project redevelops what is currently a low-rise office park, originally developed under BCC. Permit 1,982.0 0 4 B.
Boardroom SX80: That permit also authorized the oyster coat marina, which is the marina visible to the left of the red outline on the screen waistcoat. Marina is also owned by the applicants, and is in the process of being closed.
Boardroom SX80: The applicants are reconsidering the future of the arena, and they indicate they will bring forward a proposal to be Cdc. As part of a separate application.
Boardroom SX80: Therefore this matter concerns only the redevelopment of the upland portion of the site within the Commission’s shoreline band, and beyond the Commission’s permanent jurisdiction.
Boardroom SX80: The project is located at Oyster Point, in the city of South San Francisco. you can see Oyster Point called out in blue on the far left of the image above. as this map is oriented with the south to the left and the north to the right. I just want to point out
Boardroom SX80: we’re seeing an unusual view of the pay.
Boardroom SX80: Here is a plan view of Oyster Point. The area outlined in red is the extent of the Kilroy Oyster Point Life Science Office campus.
It represents phases 2 through 4 of a master planned waterfront district for Oyster Point.
Boardroom SX80: The Commission previously approved the earlier phase of the Oyster Point waterfront district in 2,018, as part of B. C. DC. Permit 2,017.0 0 7.
Boardroom SX80: That phase included an office development, a hotel in a waterfront park adjacent to the Oyster point Marina, which is the other marina visible on the screen.
Boardroom SX80: The project site today includes an approximately 3.7 9 acre public access area, which was constructed in association with the Pcc. Permit for the existing Low Rise Office Development on the site.
Boardroom SX80: This area would be entirely redesigned as part of the proposed project to accommodate a wider minimum 20 foot wide bay trail segment flanked by a mix of improvements compatible with the waterfront park, including open lawn areas, picnic areas terrace seating a perched beach which is a sandy, beach-like area that, unlike a natural beach, doesn’t touch the water.
15 public short parking access to their parking spaces
Boardroom SX80: and other public access facilities
overall. The original 3.7 9 acre public access area will be expanded by 12 to 4.2 5 acres.
Boardroom SX80: It’s worth noting that a portion of the shoreline carries a bay plan prior to use area designated as a waterfront park. only uses compatible with the waterfront park are proposed within the prior to use area.
Boardroom SX80: and all the office campus. Oriented areas are located outside of the waterfront park. Pride use area
turning to potential flood risk.
Boardroom SX80: the project would raise the grade of the majority of the site to an elevation at or above 13 feet and a vd. 88. The project, as projected by the medium high-risk aversion scenario in the State of California’s sea level rise guidance.
Boardroom SX80: Most of the major elements in the waterfront Park would avoid anticipated flooding for the life of the project through 2,075. One exception is a small area on the shoreline that is built lower, so that it will intentionally flood over time and become an area where wetland habitat can be established
while not anticipated to be necessary during the life of the project. Adaptive measures could be incorporated to extend the life of the public access to 2,100, or beyond such as by building a protective device along the edge of the bay trail for Project shoreline as illustrated in the cross sections. Here
the Commission’s community vulnerability Mapping tool shows the project site is within an area of moderate social vulnerability.
Boardroom SX80: The athletic conducted outreach that included approximately 41 public meetings between May 2,017 and summer 2,021.
These included in-person events at an office established near the project site prior to the pandemic and online meetings. In the time since the onset of the pandemic
Boardroom SX80: feedback received in these meetings help to inform aspects of the Waterfront Park design, such as introducing, introducing phasing that reduces disruptions to the Bay trail during construction.
The applicant informs us that the only requests from the community that are not incorporated relate to marina facilities which are outside of the scope of the project.
Boardroom SX80: and with that I’m actually going to hand it over to the applicant team to present a more detailed but overview of the project. So just give me a second while I switch slide presentations.
Boardroom SX80: Good afternoon. Everyone excited to be here at the stage of the project. My name is Verona Ghattiva. I’m with James Cornerfield operations. We’re the landscape architects on the project, working with Kilbury Realt, and I’m here with Julian Blanford and Phil Tate, with Kilver realt in case there’s any additional questions at the end of the presentation.
Boardroom SX80: you already saw this. But kind of to orient you, or to point, is the last peninsula, basically, that can breathe, but reaches out into the bay enough to see the skyline of of the city, and many consider it to be kind of a hidden gem as you when you’re driving down the highway. You don’t really know that that this little cove is is down there.
Boardroom SX80: But as Ethan mentioned, even though there there are these beautiful pockets of of nature and cluster of trees. The majority of it is single-story. buildings and parking lot. So we’ve worked. the design to celebrate the good things that are in the site, but obviously enhance it to make it a more diverse and accessible water from park.
Boardroom SX80: and, as you all know, it is part of a full master plan, of which phase one C and one d. Have already been built, and phase 2 is under construction, and today we’ll be reviewing the water from park that connects Phase 3 and 4 of of the Master plan vision.
Boardroom SX80: So here we are today. the the design and documentation, of course, of Phase 3 is is ongoing while on its way, and we hope to commence construction of phase 3 in quarter 4 of 2,024. Sorry.
Boardroom SX80: and our concept from the beginning was kind of to bring oysters back to Oyster Point, making a nod to the historic qualities. And and Oysters that used to be on the site, and inspired by the arcs and beards and and barnacles of oysters. We established a strategy to kind of unify the full peninsula.
Boardroom SX80: using those arcs, beards, and barnacles as inspirations for a framework of trails, canopies, and and park features.
Boardroom SX80: and not only in plan, but also 3 dimensionally, we were inspired by the geometries of of oysters and nature. creating, therefore, a playful mix of points and flats so high points to get to get a better view of of the waterfront and flats of program and activity and play adjacent to the bay trail that meanders through the waterfront park.
Boardroom SX80: So this is transforming the waterfront park edge that is there today. And as you saw in the existing aerial. It’s it’s rather thin and framed by parking lots and expanding it, deepening it, increasing the waterfront by more than 55, and of course incorporating over 12 new amenities along this edge of the peninsula.
Boardroom SX80: So, looking at the existing plan of the phase 3 and 4
Boardroom SX80: design, I’m going to be walking, you basically south to north, taking you along the series of amenities.
Boardroom SX80: starting with the east-west link, which is this prominent that you see right here
Boardroom SX80: that promenade connects the existing phase, one C. Park, that has already been built to this western side of the peninsula.
Boardroom SX80: and just to kind of summarize some of the project highlights. As I said, it increases the publicly accessible water from Park by 55%, increasing the dedicated public access by 12%.
Boardroom SX80: Of course, all construction is outside of the mean high high-water line, and all of the private structures are outside of the Bcbc Jirt section, and we’re looking at approximately 16 million dollars in waterfront and public improvements for this, for these phases of of the project.
Boardroom SX80: and, as Ethan mentioned, Covert has hosted a series of public meetings. since May 4, 2,018. We’ve been working with them since 2,016 on this. water from Park.
Boardroom SX80: and we’ve incorporated the the comments, not only from the community, but also the feedback. of the Bcdc. Staff that has been working with us throughout this process. to enrich the experience throughout the waterfront.
Boardroom SX80: So again, this is the view of that on that east-west link. It’s an ample 2520 feet wide. promenade that connects the east and the and the west edges of the of the peninsula, and that aligns you at its end with views through the San Bruno Hill
Boardroom SX80: and the the this promenade connects you to the bay trail which me Andrews drew the waterfront from south to north, connecting a series of spaces, the first of which is the Wetland Terrace, is overlook. We wanted to celebrate. A a corner of wetlands that exist there today and also create spaces where, as sea level rises, we can retain some of that ecology and quality.
Boardroom SX80: We continue walking north, and there’s a a necklace of coastal gardens, obviously drought, tolerant plantings that are there to kind of celebrate the the windy conditions of the site, because it is rather windy with clusters of trees to create nuts for protection. From from these winds
Boardroom SX80: obviously places for recreation
Boardroom SX80: and enjoying the the the view. These are the marina steps. So now we’re right in front of Phase 3 and a series of boulders will will enhance that edge so you can sit and look out into the bay, and San Bruno Hill
Boardroom SX80: places for leader, just, you know, open flexible lawns where you can throw a blanket, have a picnic fly, a kite because the winds are definitely amazing for that at Oyster Point.
Boardroom SX80: but also places for for picnicking and and larger groups and and and families.
Boardroom SX80: and all the way to the north we have the beach that Ethan mentioned earlier, as Ethan mentioned, contrasting with the phase, One sea beach, which is a natural beach. This is elevated from the water’s edge, and it’s almost like a hidden gem. You. You find it within a cluster, clusters of trees and plantings that protect you from that that breeze coming off of the San Bruno Hill.
Boardroom SX80: So this is the kind of the series of of spaces that encompasses the access and open space, as you can see to the everything that is blue is the publicly accessible spaces along the phase stream 4. And then in in yellow, the the campus, oriented spaces which have a very similar look and feel, but sits slightly elevated from the Bcdc. Trail and water from park.
Boardroom SX80: going a little bit into the math of things. I won’t dive into too much detail, but the park The park and development is all raised for for sea level rise, and, as I mentioned initially, the strategy was to, of course, raise everything for sea level rise, but but still celebrate the existing wetlands that are in the edge.
Boardroom SX80: should I? Oh, I’ll hurry up. Sorry. So there’s no flooding, truly to the park throughout 2070. The only area that would flood is the wetland terraces and the bottom left side of the screen. And that’s purposeful. That’s part of the design. A series of terraces that will receive that sea love arise as as it comes up.
Boardroom SX80: and then this would be 2,100. You start seeing some flooding at the very edge of the park, and of course, the adjacent properties, which I’m sure at some point will be developed and address, but outside of our property line
Boardroom SX80: But when that time comes towards 2,100. We did do a a silverized assessment, and came up with a series of strategies
Boardroom SX80: where we we still try to incorporate that coastal field the materiality of the project, using rustic edges and boulders to hide any sort of parapet or wall that might be necessary to to respond to the to the rising sea level. Elevations! But, as you can see, the the.
Boardroom SX80: the, the Bay trail and development, and the majority of the park is above that elevation.
Boardroom SX80: So this is a a full matrix, because there’s more obviously more more spaces along along the full waterfront. So we want it to give you a full mosaic of the mix of spaces, places for play, places for leisure, places for relaxation. But all in in the idea of celebrating that coastal kind of hidden gem. experience that exists on the site today.
Boardroom SX80: and that would that would be all.
Boardroom SX80: Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Rivera, and thank you, Ethan. I imagine there will be some questions, but before we get to that I would like to open the public hearing. Any member of the public who would like to make a public comment either line up at the podium. If there’s anybody in the room.
or otherwise raise your hand in Zoom.
Boardroom SX80: really, and I’m not seeing anybody in the room. Do you have folks on? Zoom? I have one public comment from Alice and Madden. Go ahead 3 min to speak.
Boardroom SX80: Go ahead and unmute yourself, Allison.
Alison Madden: Yes, I did. Is it unmuted now?
Alison Madden: Okay, thank you. So I did try to raise my hand at the general public comments, because, I did advise my my clients that the marine itself is not on the agenda here, and that’s acknowledged in the presentation.
Alison Madden: and I’m pretty agnostic on the upland, you know. I’m I’m a a fan of development, and I’m sure it’s going to be lovely. But I did want to speak to the Commission about a couple of items.
Alison Madden: respecting the marina. And right now, you know, with sea level impact with the crisis that we’re in with the climate. We’re having a lot of more frequent storms and really severe storms, and Treasure Island. Marina was pretty much devastated. Fifth Avenue as well.
Alison Madden: And what what’s going on here at Oyster Cov is? It’s a protected Marina. It’s deep water. It’s a sailors, Marina. It’s absolutely solid and well maintained, and it really shouldn’t go away. And so that’s what we were advocating for in general public comments is, you know, this is State public trust land. It’s not private title that they own. Yes, they did. build that, Marina. And now our understanding is they want to rip out to the Marina, or retain some of it
Alison Madden: and have a water taxi or a private ferry. And right now the Weedo ferry is really efficient? And There’s been a loss of marinas in Redwood City Dock Town, in the outer harbor at Pete’s, and you know there’s just a dearth of marine is south of San Francisco and we really need to keep them The Macintire Petrus Act speaks of desired fill and docks, wharves, ports, airports.
Alison Madden: They’re all in there. So under the Petras that mean marinas are desired, and they’re they’re not undesirable, and they’re few and far between. And when they’re ripped out and damaged now it’s not easy to bring them back.
Alison Madden: It’s, you know, when a lot of these were built it was a long time ago. It was easier to build them, and this one is in pristine shape
Alison Madden: and I’d also like to say that we have a motion for summary judgment pending. Mr. Klein is defending his unlawful detainer, and on Friday the judge will rule whether the Tenant Protection Act applies to voters living on their boats in Marinas, and that’s of statewide importance and
Alison Madden: you know, an issue of first impression, and either way that it goes you know, as often happens with
Alison Madden: litigation and legal issues either side might appeal, depending what the judge’s ruling is. But Mr. Klein has stayed there on principle. We appreciate what you’ve done before with oyster point. you know, having the safe harbor over there. And Mr. Klein really feels that he deserves tenant protection at notice, because they have to state the specific reason for just cause.
Alison Madden: And
Alison Madden: that’s what we’ve been seeking all along. So I wanted to mention that our back and you know, we really think that you should advocate to keep the marina? Thank you.
Boardroom SX80: Thank you, Allison. sorry, Lucia, is the next public commenter.
Boardroom SX80: And and may I just. add that the public comment should be addressed to this agenda. Item, I know there is some overlap in folks, mind, but this agenda item, specifically, is what we’re talking about at this moment.
Boardroom SX80: Lucille, go ahead and unmute yourself.
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): Thank you very much, and I’m sorry if I was off base with talking earlier. I wanted to point out that with the the concept of sea level rise the whole east side of Oyster Point. If you go walk along there you’ll see humongous chunks of that grassy area that have just been completely washed away, and that is.
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): that’s nothing compared to what will happen in the future, so that entire land it’s all fill, we will become more and more unstable. And it’s it’s something to consider when you’re thinking about approving new buildings on this on this swath of land.
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): And the the other thing I wanted to point out was in the comments it went The young lady went by really quickly on what public comments were with the little bubbles, and I just quickly was able to see one of them said, need area for for voting and and and we do. And that is something that that if we, if they’re taking that into consideration, then they need places and faces for people to keep their votes, as so many marinas have been closed.
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): So again, Just something to point out. I really appreciate how beautiful it is, and I like that, they said. They’re bringing oysters back, but not, you know. The the visuals of it are nice, but it’s kind of like
Lucia Lachmayr (she/her/ella): that, you know, Potemkin village of what is happening here. It’s not really bringing oysters back. It’s it’s doing something pretty and superficial. And you know, that’s I get it. It’s it’s progress, but it’s not. It’s not in the service of the humans that live here and have lived here for decades and have been displaced. Thank you so much.
Boardroom SX80: There’s no additional public comment. All right. Thank you very much.
So if there is no one else who would like to comment, I would welcome a motion, and second, to close the public hearing.
Boardroom SX80: I’ll move that.
Boardroom SX80: Who is it? Either stupid?
Boardroom SX80: And then I’ll second the motion.
Pat Eklund, Commissioner: Aklin
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner molten Peters moves Commissioner Ecklin’s seconds. Please raise your hand if you are in favor of the motion.
Boardroom SX80: Thank you. Motion carries all right. We will now entertain commission questions, comments, discussion regarding this item.
Boardroom SX80: I’m looking in here. I don’t see any raised hands in the room for alien. Will you call on the Commissioners who have raised their hands on zoom. Yes, Commissioner Nelson.
Barry Nelson, Commissioner: thank you. question for staff
Barry Nelson, Commissioner: In light of the testimony we received in this public hearing and and during the public comment period, hoping staff can talk about the relationship between the marina and this project and the connection, if any, between the marina and our our authority of the public access. in the Project system force.
Yes, thanks, Commissioner Nelson. so the the project before us today is is really limited to the upland areas of the site. So within the Commission’s 100 foot shoreline band.
Boardroom SX80: the marina in question. It has the same ownership, or at least the the same parent company as the applicants who are seeking to redevelop the office campus
Boardroom SX80: but they haven’t applied to make any changes to be so easy to the permit that governs that, Marina. They’ve told us that they’re considering its future, and they’ll bring a proposal to us in the future. But the application before us today is is just within the 143 line band.
Barry Nelson, Commissioner: So unless I mean it. It it does directly that if there was, if we found there to be something inadequate in the public access proposal in this project, and we’re pushing the applicant to put more on the table. Maybe there was some sort of a nexus there, but unless there’s abs of that connection, there’s no connection between this permit proposal and this permit for stay in that project. Right?
Yes, I think I think the way to think about it is that the marina itself is permitted under an existing B Cdc, permit already.
Barry Nelson, Commissioner: Thank you.
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner. Show. Walter.
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: Yeah. I wanted to ask a little bit about the Wetlands section
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: and sort of what’s the status of that? And what restoration? efforts are planned, if any.
Boardroom SX80: So the project, the project is all within mean high water lines. So we’re not touching the existing wetland But therefore, because we know so once silo arises that one len is
Boardroom SX80: likely to be lost, we’re creating a series of terraces going into the property in inland with,
Boardroom SX80: that will basically help migrate that ecology up upland as the sea level rises.
Boardroom SX80: So. And that’s we’re not preserving. What is there today? We’re not touching anything outside of the mean high waterline. But we’re creating terraces to kind of allow that ecology to migrate upland as the sea level.
Boardroom SX80: rises.
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: Okay? So when you look at that wetland now, there isn’t There aren’t things that you see that you could do like plantings to fortify it. it’s in good shape.
Boardroom SX80: It’s in fairly good shape. and it would be a different permit in area, because it’s outside of our of our property line. to to work within the water.
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: Okay? Well, I just, you know, we we see little pockets of of possible restoration projects sometimes with when we look at these other development projects, and this is certainly one that seems to me that. you know, my
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: might might be good for some restoration attention. So I just wanted to mention that. Thank you.
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Gunther.
Dr. Andrew Gunther, Commissioner: Yeah, thank you. I it’s It’s great to see
Dr. Andrew Gunther, Commissioner: sea level rise adaptation being integrated
Dr. Andrew Gunther, Commissioner: by by landscape professionals. it’s I. I really I really wanted to to thank you for demonstrating that. so we can see. See how how you’re thinking about it. the question I have relates to the Marina. I’m I’m a little confused. We saw lots of pictures
Dr. Andrew Gunther, Commissioner: of the project, and the Marina is in like different stages of being sort of grayed out, and I’m not clear like, is it? Is it there, or is it not? There in your as as you’re looking at the construction of this project a year from that.
Boardroom SX80: The marina is there today, and that and all of the representations in in this set show it as the the team has shared.
Boardroom SX80: What’s the status of the marina within a year? I can have the the the team members speak to that. Timeline is not clear that that design hasn’t occurred. So that’s why, in every and all of the visuals that you see on screen. the the the marina is there, and and we have designed this project to be able to accommodate if it if it stays, but also
accommodate any any changes that might happen in the future
Dr. Andrew Gunther, Commissioner: when it comes to grading, and those type of considerations
Boardroom SX80: accommodates that.
Dr. Andrew Gunther, Commissioner: Thank you.
Boardroom SX80: There are no other comments.
Boardroom SX80: I have one question about the hidden gem aspect of the project. Is there any effort that is going to be made to make it less hidden to the public, so that they know how to access it, or they know about its availability. Yes, of course, there is a a signage strategy meeting all of the Bcdc. Requirements of highlighting connections and access points to to the bay, including also public parking.
and and of course, additional tenants. But there’s there’s already some users. There’s always a gentleman swimming in the beach and phase one C. I would love to see more people there so hopefully as as people kind of know that there’s a new park. We’ll see more community members come out and and enjoy it
Boardroom SX80: specifically, talking about phase one C, which is already but of course the the increase in tenants will therefore increase the use of it and start marking it in peoples and people’s mind as a location to go enjoy.
Boardroom SX80: Okay, good. Yeah. Sure, isn’t that. May I add? just a comment on the overall signage plan? so the the B Cdc permit. that we recommended approval for today includes a condition requiring the applicants to submit a comprehensive signage program. And it’s just something I I I would like to sort of draw some attention to, because it’s a a similar condition that we’ve included in a number of recent permits over the last year.
trying to be responsive particularly to our environmental justice and social equity policies. And what we’ve been doing over the last year with a number of projects is trying to increase the sort of the number of user groups that are served by our signage programs, by requiring English and Spanish, and in many cases an assessment of the nearby community needs for multilingual signage, and also incorporating elements of universal design which could include braille, tactile elements or others.
So with a lot of the major permits that are coming before you. we’re actually we’re having continued staff involvement after their issuance to come up with a signage program which we think is really going to sort of elevate this data. They are compared to what we’ve been doing over the last 50 years.
Boardroom SX80: That’s fantastic. And you know a lot of these areas. And I notice that Heron Head is not very far from the site that we’re talking about.
Boardroom SX80: If you try to go into your GPS and say Haron Head or oyster point, or something, unless they have some specific designation.
Boardroom SX80: you can’t really find them. They are really hard to get to. I know Heron Head is a, you know, a huge birding area. So burders all know about it, but it’s also a lovely spot, and it looks like it’s just around the bend.
Boardroom SX80: from this project. So I don’t know if we have any capability of asking that it have a sort of designation that could be located on GPS that would help people find it and know that there’s essentially a public access area there.
Boardroom SX80: All right. Any other questions, comments Commissioner Kishimoto.
Yoriko Kishimoto, Commissioner: Yes, thank you. yeah, I just wanted to. say that I I also found this a little bit confusing with
Yoriko Kishimoto, Commissioner: you know the relationship between this and the Marina, and also Commissioner, showed this question about the wetlands. And so is this part of that part of like a larger map. I mean, if you can. To me it feels a little bit like it’s segmenting a project, or or is it?
Yoriko Kishimoto, Commissioner: But this
Boardroom SX80: can I answer, yeah.
Boardroom SX80: this is a phase phase 3 through 4. So basically, the western waterfront section of a full master plan. So we did the master plan to make sure there was. There was cohesiveness and design and continuity, and and detailing and aesthetics and experiences, and also building up the the.
Boardroom SX80: the, the array of of public offerings throughout the peninsula that said everything within that master plan is upland right? the the work that has been performed is within the mean high waterline, both in phase one C, and in in this, in this project before you.
Boardroom SX80: so that’s why there’s a kind of a divide, not only in property, but in phasing and in and and and projects between the upland work, which is what we’re working on. and the the Marina, the east coast. Marina.
Yoriko Kishimoto, Commissioner: Hmm. So the Marina.
Yoriko Kishimoto, Commissioner: Marina, decision
Yoriko Kishimoto, Commissioner: can and will be be made completely separately. Yes, that is correct.
Yoriko Kishimoto, Commissioner: and that’s that’s allowed under the the master plan that was already approved.
Boardroom SX80: No, the. The the Marina project is separate to the original. master, plan, vision, and it has a a separate design and and timeline to it.
Yoriko Kishimoto, Commissioner: And and who who would that be reviewed by
Yoriko Kishimoto, Commissioner: you all at some point in the future? Okay, okay. It’s going to come back to us. Okay, yes, yes, I see. Okay, that’s I guess that’s what I needed to know. All right. Thank oh, thank you.
Boardroom SX80: Of course, Ethan, did you want to add something to that. I know you’ve already said that that’s permitted. And yeah, there’s a there’s a permit that covers the existing Marina. And that’s that’s still an effect. And The the previous statement was correct that if there is an action that requires a obesity department or permit amendment that affects the marina going forward that we would have to review that separately.
Boardroom SX80: And we put. And we don’t have that application. Currently. Correct? All right. Commissioner. Is that okay? Commissioner Kishimoto, did you have follow up?
Boardroom SX80: No, thank you. Thank you. Commissioner, I Diego, thank you. Charison. as I wanted to speak to the hidden gem aspect as one of the 68,000 people that call South San Francisco home.
Boardroom SX80: It’s my preferred place to walk, because I like to keep an eye on the bay.
Boardroom SX80: and it’s not so hidden when it comes to people that live locally, and also the 30,000 or so people that work in the Bio and Fintech industry.
Boardroom SX80: so during the week you’ll see a lot of people with their name tags, taking a little walk in the middle of the day, and on the weekend it can get quite crowded. We like to think it is windy, but we like to think of when you’re walking. That wind is refreshing, and it tends to to motivate you to to keep it warm. And and, as mentioned, this area was developed in in the very early eighties. So it’s already 40
old. And and really the bay trail is a little undersized and a little ward out around the edges.
Boardroom SX80: compared to some of the other areas. You move back towards the one on freeway. So it it’s a it’s something that came faster than any of the locals thought. As far as our planning, we thought that might be one of the last areas to be developed for the industry, and it is just Exciting to think of what’s going to be there for. Most interested in the local people
Boardroom SX80: enjoy their hidden gem. But but you’re welcome to charism and the Burders. You’re not. You’re not keeping us out, are you? No, there’s any other Commissioner questions, comments.
Boardroom SX80: Okay, Ethan, would you? present the staff recommendation to us.
Boardroom SX80: yes. Last Friday we emailed a staff recommendation that recommends that you approve of the staff recommendation with the conditions which include dedicating 4.2 5 acres of public access and requiring a C liberalized adaptation plan in the future. Should one be necessary, as well as other conditions that are included in the recommendation.
Boardroom SX80: I I do a slide, but it’s gonna take me about a minute to pull it back up. So I I that I just forgot it.
Boardroom SX80: Okay, Ethan is going to pull up the slide. That shows us the staff recommendation. But if any commissioner feels confident that they
Boardroom SX80: it was in our packet. So if you want to move, and second, this particular staff recommendation is a good time to do it and chair it, it would be my pleasure to make the motion to approve this application with conditions. Commissioner Adiego moves
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Randolph Seconds. All right.
Boardroom SX80: The applicant’s representative. Can you affirm that you have reviewed the staff recommendation and agree with it.
Boardroom SX80: Hello, Commissioners Gillian Blanchard with Rhetor Law Group. I represent Kilroy, and we have read the staff recommendation and fully support it. Thank you. Thank you. Then, Raulina, are you ready? You can call the role in this motion. Yes. Commissioner or Diego. Yes.
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner on
Jesse Arreguin, Commissioner: Commissioner Oregon.
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Burke. Yes. Commissioner Eckland. Aye.
John Gioia, Commissioner: Commissioner Joya. Aye.
Dr. Andrew Gunther, Commissioner: Commissioner Gunther. Aye.
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner, has
Karl Hasz, Commissioner: bye
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Moulton Peters. Yes. Commissioner Peskin aye.
Dave Pine, Commissioner: Commissioner Pine. Yes.
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Randolph. Yes.
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: Commissioner, show Walter. Yes.
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Kishimoto. Yes. Commissioner Pemberton.
Sheri Pemberton, Commissioner: Yes.
John Vasquez, Commissioner: Commissioner Vasquez. Yes.
Barry Nelson, Commissioner: Commissioner Nelson
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Gilmour
Marie Gilmore, Commissioner: yes.
Boardroom SX80: Chair Eisen yes.
Boardroom SX80: 19 yeses unanimously. Thank you. And no abstentions.
Boardroom SX80: Right? So oh, on the vote I the Federal call.
Boardroom SX80: All right. Thank you. The motion passes as indicated earlier agenda. Item 9 is a longer part of our agenda. So we move to our last item. agenda. Item 10. A briefing on B. C. DC. Hiring and Hr. Issues
Boardroom SX80: our human resources analyst. Anu Raganathan will provide the briefing. And that, are you here? The news right here and before. Come on up a new and before a new starts I want to let the Commission know what we’re about to do, which is
Boardroom SX80: now for something completely different, as Monty Python would say.
I’ve been here for a little over 10 years, and we have never briefed the Commission on the Hr. Strategy, and how we actually operate. And that’s because, candidly, you all don’t really need to know that
Boardroom SX80: because we handle it, we handle it well. And if we ever have an Hr problem that requires commission work. We work in the way that we’re supposed to, and most of you don’t even know about it, anyway. And that doesn’t happen, because it’s a great staff.
Boardroom SX80: at least not very, very often, but it has become clear to me as executive director. It has become clear to my peers as Executive Directors of the Coastal Commission and the State Lands Commission and other places in State government, that life has changed over the last 4 years with regard to human resources and staffing and people and needs, and what is going on. And
Boardroom SX80: I have made it a a a consistent question. Whenever I talk with other people who lead non-profit organizations or for-profit organizations about how their workforce is doing and how they are doing with their workforces. And many of you
Boardroom SX80: are part of leaderships of very, very large public organisations and some private nonprofit. And my bet is that you have faced challenges over the past few years, and they are coming home to roost in a number of different ways.
So what Peggy and I thought about 2 months ago is that we should provide you with an overview of Bcdc’s Hr. Organization and staffing, and what we are now facing.
Boardroom SX80: and how we view what we are facing, so that you have some information about that. We provided this as a rough draft on
Boardroom SX80: Monday. Thank you. Anu, on Monday to Chair Washerman, who had a number of really good questions, whose answers we’ve incorporated into this, and who’s done a great job? And he predicted that a few of you will have some questions as well. So that’s why we’re doing this. And as far as I know, this is really the first time that this has really happened at B. C. DC, we do a budget one every year.
and I don’t know if we’re going to do this every year, but I I hope it provokes discussion about from you all, as you all think about what we’re facing and what you all are facing as leaders of your organizations. So with that I’ll hand it off to a new.
Boardroom SX80: Thank you, Larry.
Boardroom SX80: Good afternoon, Chair Commissioners, and everyone. thank you for joining me today and welcome to my presentation on Bcdc’s Hr. Review for the past 10 years.
Boardroom SX80: I’m happy to be doing this presentation the first ever Hr. Overview like Larry mentioned, and in this presentation I will share a comprehensive Hr. Related information on various aspects of Hr. And provide an overview of how Bcdc. Has evolved from the Hr front.
in light of time. I have put together some slides with hr information department by departments, and I do have a question and answer slide at the end. So, looking forward to answer that if you may have
Boardroom SX80: I’d like to keep it simple and stay within the schedule time. So, moving on next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: So these are the overview topics that we are going to be discussing today in today’s presentation. the positions that B Cdc, Since this is a 10 year. Hr. Review, we have the position starting from 2,012 to the current year, and we have actually broken it down into the
different department. Like the different units within our department, like the regulatory planning, legal and administration, and how we did with the hiring during pandemic. how the composition of our staff with regard to the tenure, and also demographic and ethnicity data of our staff. in 2,023 and of course, The recruitment challenges that we have faced, and how or what the accomplishments are so far, and our ongoing objectives last, but not the least, we do have a takeaway slide
where we have for the Commission, and we are looking for some inputs, guidance and feedback.
Boardroom SX80: Next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: So BCDC. In 2,012 we started with 40 of our positions, and 2,01647, and in 2023, with the Opc. Sec. And the EPA grants, including the limited term positions, we are at a total head count of 61 currently
Boardroom SX80: next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: So this is actually a breakdown of the head counts as per the different units that we have in our in B Cdc, we? I’m going to be getting into the details of specifics. of each department in the upcoming slides.
But this one to kind of, you know, give a statistical and also a pictorial representation of how Or the headcount and regulatory planning. Legal administration and executive staff looks like
Boardroom SX80: next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: So in the regulatory department we started with 17 permanent positions in 2,012, in 2,016. We were at 18 permanent position and one limited term between 2,022 to 2,023 we have The enforcement unit
with 4 positions which moved into the legal unit. And yet in 2,023 we have 16 permanent positions, one limited term, and 2 positions that we received
through the Opc. Sec. Grant, even though in here, between 2,016 and 2,023, the numbers appear to be the same. But even with the move of the enforcement unit into the legal. We we’re still at 19. So which means we gained, or we had increased positions from between 2,016 to to 2,023
Boardroom SX80: next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: Planning unit. We were at 9 in 2,012, 2,01611 and 23. We were at 17 positions. Again, the 17 positions where we are at 11 permanent one limited term, one position, even though it’s a two-year limited term for the EPA. Grant and 4 positions on Opc. Sec. Grant, which is for 3 years
Boardroom SX80: next slide, please
Boardroom SX80: the legal unit. there is a spike from 2,012 and 2,016, we were at the same numbers, but there is a big leap between 16 to 2,023. This reason, as mentioned in my previous slide, was due to the enforcement unit which moved from the regulatory into the legal department, and also in 2,023 we had, like
2 of the compliance positions which were added, and also to enforcement attorney and manager positions. which were part of the 10 head count and on the existing 3 permanent positions that
Boardroom SX80: the enforcement unit previously had. So that brings us to a total of 10
Boardroom SX80: next slide, please
Administration Department, we have actually lost a position between 2,016 through to 2023. And this is the Ot or the office technician position which was reclassed into the associate government program analysts position. So even though we lost one, we still are
kind of, you know, able to manage and get things done for our extra head count, and the growing numbers with the you know the hiring that we have at B Cdc.
Boardroom SX80: Next slide, please executive staff. This department has remained consistent, and discomfort comprises of our executive director one deputy director, and the allocated executive secretary staff,
Boardroom SX80: which is which leads to the total of 3, and there are no changes. that has happened from 2,012 to 2,023
Boardroom SX80: next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: So this slide is to kind of, you know. Give a summary of the
Boardroom SX80: total hiring that we did during the pandemic, which is from 2020 to 2023. to kind of, you know. Break it down. We Not only did we do new hires, but those 19 positions are 7 internal promotions also happen? so, which is about, you know, close to 40% of our, you know the hiring. So that
Boardroom SX80: leads us to the 19 new hires that we did during the pandemic next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: So this table here just wanted to shed some light on the total tenure of our current staff at B Cdc,
Boardroom SX80: so we the less than 5 years. There are about 28, which
Boardroom SX80: is including you know which includes me. which is like less than 5 years, and also with all the attrition and the retirements. And you know the back full of positions and the transfers that happen. So the new hires. So that kind of you know that that’s the reason for the highest. In or less than 5 years 28 employees account
that we have here, and 5 to 5 years, and about is 13 and 10 years and about, you know, we have staff who have been with Vcdc. For over 12 years, and this I wanted to leave a note that of course, as the footnote says, and on my slide. this does not count the 8 waken positions that we have currently and we are in the process of hiring
Boardroom SX80: next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: So here we wanted to kind of, you know. Give some information about the total demographics. and of the different classifications. that we have amongst you know, in B Cdc. And to put some extra spotlight on the last 2 rows.
where the B Cdc permanent staff. It’s about 49% of millennials that explains, you know, that’s because of our new hires. you know, who are like millennial millennials and 34, our generation eggs and baby boomer, 7 in person. And we are closer to the States employee person edges.
Boardroom SX80: yeah, which is like 36% of the millennials, 41, and baby boomers, 23 person and a quick Victoria representation, or a bar chart on the side
Boardroom SX80: representing the table next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: ethnicity data. there are about 59 of us, like, you know, representing the like women in B Cdc, and 41% constitute men population which is closer to the Bay area’s total percentage of women and men and also to kind of, you know, compare it with the State personages.
It’s not too much of a difference, but we are closer and kind of in or representing the bay areas.
Boardroom SX80: representation of women and men, and also. I thought it might be helpful to kind of give a little breakdown of the different ethnicity data with respect to our staff. at B Cdc.
Boardroom SX80: next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: So this is actually a a very interesting slide, and the challenges are like and ongoing and these are just the top 8 that we kind of, you know. we wanted to
Boardroom SX80: have for our today’s presentation, which but which is something that we have been like, you know, hearing from The applicants, or you know the challenges that we have been pacing at the time of the hiring during the hiring process. So look, pay scale. the kind of in a bureaucratic process that we have with the civil State, the States and on the hiring procedures. the competencies, skills that we’re looking for when it comes to, you know, specific classifications and the hiring
Boardroom SX80: knowledge, transfer professional development. and succession planning and examination process are are some that we thought we would kind of, you know. use it for today’s presentation
Boardroom SX80: next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: even though we have faced with all those challenges, we do have our accomplishments. one of the greatest or the accomplishments that have been like, you know, ongoing for many years, but finally accomplish between in 2,022 to 2,023 is
having the coastal program analyst, the examination series online. And just not that. But we were also able to get the approvals from Kali Cha regarding the increase in salary for the Cpa series, which is a coastal program Analyst series. Because, as we know, as you know, there are, like, you know, different levels in the Cpa series, and also our leadership
development plans and the hybrid kind of in working culture that we are trying to make it as a selling or a selling point for our new applicants.
Boardroom SX80: and you know, document successes and goal achievements. cultivate growth mindset and also improve and primarily and lower the attrition rate.
even though we have accomplished all of this, we do. We are also of been faced with and ongoing objectives. and we wanted to address that in every part of the hiring process. so we wanted to kind of have the recruitment based more on, you know, increasing diversity, and also that would enable us to kind of increase the strength and the retention rates
Boardroom SX80: next slide, please. So this is the slide that I wanted to present to the Commission specifically here, where we are looking for some help. And you know, from all of you to advocate for us to increase the positions at B Cdc, and also to kind of, you know, spread the word for hard to fill positions and to create the, you know.
Boardroom SX80: create more awareness about in the public for all the meaningful work we do at PC. DC, we meaning, you know, I’m representing all these staff here at Dcdc. And all all of your tireless efforts in the Commission
Boardroom SX80: and next slide, please.
Boardroom SX80: So this is our, our our current vacancies. right now, and we have about 8 vacant positions.
Boardroom SX80: so. And I just wanted to. you know, give an idea as to how long we have been posting these positions from, and how you know we are faced with all these challenges. to kind of, you know. Give you a fair idea about the midpoint salary, like I said, like I mentioned in my previous slide in the challenges.
the low pay scale and the the process in the hiring
Boardroom SX80: in the State service, and our hiring process is one of the biggest challenges. So just to kind of, you know. Give some
Boardroom SX80: information about the vacant positions, and also why we are kind of, you know, looking for the support from all of you to kind of spread the word and help us with filling up these positions.
Boardroom SX80: And I next slide, please. That brings us to the final slide, and I’m open for any questions that you may have.
Boardroom SX80: Thank you so much. And that was a really full body presentation. And I know there are going to be lots of questions. But before we get to that, I would like to invite anyone from the public who would like to make a public comment regarding this item, to come to the podium
or to raise their hand at Zoom.
Boardroom SX80: I see nobody in the room, really, no public comment online. All right. that then, brings us to the Commissioners who would like to make a comment, ask a question.
Boardroom SX80: Question.
Boardroom SX80: Yes, Commissioner Randall. when you, when you’ve lost candidates on who to other
Boardroom SX80: other opportunities. Have you been able to have
Boardroom SX80: kind of like an exit interview like? Do you know where they went? What the competition was? And I’m thinking a little bit about Federal positions in particular. I remember many years ago, but I kind of I’d been in Federal service. There was gap worked for the State. It was really struck with how abysmal State pay was compared to Federal. So does the Commission tend to lose potential staff to Federal agencies in particular, or
Boardroom SX80: what? What are you competing with?
Boardroom SX80: Thank you, Commissioner, for your question. yes, to We do have. exit interviews. connected at the The time when we, you know the candidate
Boardroom SX80: gives us the notice during the notice period, one challenge, or one of those repetitive reasons for people transferring or moving out of
Boardroom SX80: the position has been the lower pay scale and the benefits part because benefits in the State service. In the long run it is, it is definitely a yes, but people are looking for currently, you know, the higher base salary. That’s one of the reasons the primary reasons people move out.
Boardroom SX80: and we have been addressing that with, you know our trying to have them.
Boardroom SX80: and I’ll stay if
Boardroom SX80: we would not be able to do anything with the salary structure, because that has to go through the Cali Chs process. But we have been accommodated, and they have
Boardroom SX80: actually shared that the hybrid working was one of those you know, advantage advantages where other, not all departments or all companies offer like one day, right? Currently, that we do right now. So we, you know, that’s one of those, the lower pay scale and the long process. The hiring process is one of
Boardroom SX80: the reasons that we hear most often.
Boardroom SX80: but just as a follow up for the category of of positions that you hire. For what other agencies or entities are you typically competing with? So if if we losing the B Cdc, do you have any idea where they actually end up going.
Boardroom SX80: it’s outside of the State service. So it’s private and public sector, firms and companies majority.
Boardroom SX80: And if I can add to that local governments and regional governments totally destroy B. C. DC. And State and State government in terms of salary, I I want to say, is Ethan still is Do I see Ethan? Is he being head by, hidden by a new Ethan. Was it you who a few years ago put together the schedule comparison between local government pay scales and the State? I’m trying to remember who did it. I want to say you were part of it, or at least you and I looked it over.
Boardroom SX80: yeah, yeah, we We did collect job postings for the course of about a year or so, and compared them to local salaries and and even other positions within the State. And and that’s absolutely correct. And and basically, the difference was upwards of 30 to 50%
Boardroom SX80: And so we have lost over the past 10 years numerous people to different counties, special districts, and the like, not as much to the Federal Government, but certainly to locals, and so on. In addition, one of the things that has reduced some turnover recently has been the ability to have upward mobility.
Boardroom SX80: and the fact that we have the State, the the Coastal Conservancy, and Opc. Grants, which then opened up a very senior type of position that’s allowed our people to move up into those. And we’re back filling now with less less experienced people, because we know that one of the reasons people leave is they essentially Max out? And so and and I’ll I’ll name one. I’ll name one
right now, and that’s Onik and Leiden, who was the manager, you’ll remember, of the Bay Resources Section and Onikin had moved south and didn’t want to come up once a week, or twice a week, or whatever it would end up being, and she found a marvellous position in the private sector down in San Diego, and is making an awful lot more money down there than she ever would
here in the public sector. And because there was, and and she had decided ultimately that she was not going to try to become the regulatory director. So she wasn’t interested in moving up in the State service. That’s just one example. Eric has faced that more than once. His Eric Nods has had as head of long-term planning, and when when he was also a a permit manager.
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner Gilmour
Marie Gilmore, Commissioner: mine is just more of a comment. I’ve seen this particularly right now at at the county level, so it’s not only the low pay, but it is the length of time that the process takes to hire somebody.
Marie Gilmore, Commissioner: So you have people leaving for all sorts of different reasons. You don’t have enough staff to do.
Marie Gilmore, Commissioner: you know, to basically do your day to day business.
Marie Gilmore, Commissioner: And
Marie Gilmore, Commissioner: if somebody walks in the door tomorrow and applies, at least in in some counties it can take 8 min to almost a year. just to go through the process. and I don’t know what BC. DC’s hiring process is like or how long it takes. But I’m wondering if that is also part of the difficulty.
Boardroom SX80: thank you, Commissioner Gilmour, that’s also one of the reasons. But it’s not specific to
Boardroom SX80: B Cdc, it’s just The state in general. The hiring process is an outstidious, it’s long, and it takes various steps and the tenure. So The applicants are
Boardroom SX80: impatient when it comes to
Boardroom SX80: waiting like a month month and a half before the entire process gets completed, and a final offer is made.
Boardroom SX80: So yes, that that’s one. That is also one of the reasons and the challenges, as stated in one of the slides.
Boardroom SX80: and if I can add to that and I don’t know how this works on the county level. But I’d love to find out, or the city level. If I if if if if Joe Schmo decides to apply to 2 different B. C. DC. Positions.
Boardroom SX80: he, she they has to do that twice separately.
Boardroom SX80: There’s no way that you can actually apply for a position that Eric has open and then basically create what we would argue would be an indeed account.
Boardroom SX80: and then be able to transfer all that information with a stroke of a pen or the stroke of a keyboard key to the other position. Instead, you have to go back to the beginning and and apply once again with everything else you’ve got to do. And candidly, you know, if I have the choice between doing that or going on, indeed, and have doing it once I know where I’m going to go.
so that so that it is a really difficult process, and that 6 week to 8 week period that the news talking about isn’t from the time that you start it’s from after the interview.
Boardroom SX80: I mean, if you’ve got, if you’ve interviewed, and and Eric, or Ethan, or Jessica, whoever wants to hire you, you have to go through a process that Cal Hr has, which not not only, and of course everybody has to check references and all that, but you’re probably going to. If if they’re coming in from outside. They’re they’re probably going to ask for a higher rate of pay than what we would ordinarily do, because it’s the
because it’s the Bay area which means you have to go through an entire Cal Hr process on that, and then you have to go through the hiring process itself, which is not terribly
Boardroom SX80: How should we say speedy? And so just getting that offer letter out to somebody as part of our process in Calhr takes an awful long time.
I also want to. But I also want to point out a couple of different things that a new, that, a new point that a new talked about that, I think, are really important. The first is that about a third of the people now working at B. C. DC. Are in positions. They were not in 3 or 4 years ago.
Boardroom SX80: That’s something really to think about. I mean, we have a young staff compared to the State
Boardroom SX80: and and you saw the tenure of less than 5 years, basically half the folks at BCDC. And that has huge ramifications for our managers and our senior staff. I’m sure you’re starting to see that other places as well. and
Boardroom SX80: we mirror to a great extent the Bay Area in terms of demographic information which is really really interesting in terms of the ethnicity and the like, but it’s not candidly uniform.
Boardroom SX80: So so And and certainly, when you have yours truly, and Steve as the executive director and deputy director, who are, and I will say this proudly in our 60 s. And white males. You know that then also contributes to the idea that it’s not an even process
Boardroom SX80: with or it’s not evenly distributed, or the ethnicity is not evenly distributed throughout the way. B Cdc works. And that is candidly because historically, environmental Protection green has been white and only really in the past 10 to 20 years has there been a real
Boardroom SX80: effort to try to diversify that movement. We thankfully are working hard at that, but it’s going to take a while to really move it through the system. And so that also is something that I want to make sure that that people that people talk, that people notice.
Boardroom SX80: Commissioner show. Walter.
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: Yeah, I have to say. I got a little check, a lot of you saying you know white males and and working for diversity and racial diversity because I I was part of a cadre of people who tried to just work on gender diversity. And if you look around this room, you can see we’ve done pretty well actually, in that, although there’s always room for improvement. But anyway,
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: I wanted to ask you you you mentioned the need for advocacy and we always need to know what to ask for, and so I wondered if you have a number of positions you think we should be lobbying for and or generally, it seems to me the other take home. Message is that the state process for hiring is too cumbersome and long, and it needs to be streamlined.
Are those the 2 messages we’re supposed to have gotten? And what’s the number?
Boardroom SX80: I’ll take that one a new, because, as we, as we had discussed. So B. C. DC. Has historically worked within the administration, we will continue to do so. We’re we’re not going to ask you to go out and lobby the halls of the State Assembly to ask for more people. That is not what BC. DC. Does, and I don’t think it’s what Bcdc. Should do.
Boardroom SX80: But as we move forward, and I think the the great example is, you will start hearing in the next couple of months about the Mission-based review that the Department of Finance is doing on the permitting side. One thing that that Anu did not mention, but Ethan is probably simmering about a little bit now is that while you saw there’s been a little bit of growth in the regulatory side.
Boardroom SX80: the permit staff has not grown over the past X number of years, except for one person, which is the print person, and yet the number, the demand for permits, the complexity of permits that has grown. And so one of the things we hope the Mission-based Review will help us do is figure out how to do permitting better, and it may well be that the Department of Finance looks at us and says, You know, maybe you do need a few more people we don’t know.
Boardroom SX80: But that’s why you have an Mbr. Process. and and and so we will keep you informed of that with regard to the actual number. Well, I mean, sure, I’d like some more people on the regulatory side. But we’ll see again what the Mbr process does. And
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: With regard to what was the second question, Commissioner Shelter? I forgot the I was so so so they come right. Yes, the minute you want to try to take on the State Government Civil Service process
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: I will be behind you in massive amounts of armor, all 7. I don’t know, because that is controlled, not. And and this is a really interesting thing, and the the Coastal Commission and the Coast of Conservancy, and we feel this a lot
Boardroom SX80: that is controlled in Sacramento by Sacramento people.
Boardroom SX80: whether it be, you know, because that’s where state government is.
and the. And and we are really fortunate
Boardroom SX80: to get Raelina. And the reason we’re in addition to her being really nice and good. One of the really nice great things about having Railina is. She has worked within that system.
Boardroom SX80: And so she’s learned within that larger context of Sacramento how to get things done.
Boardroom SX80: And it’s different than working in the Bay area where you’re essentially satellite from Sacramento. And so that will help. But it is the Civil Service system and all of its great stuff that we all really think is really marvelous. And I don’t mean that in any snarky way. It’s marvelous that also has with it. It’s it’s cumbersome nature, and that’s that’s the issue.
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: Well, I bring it up because in in local government we are. You know, we are facing these issues quite severely as well.
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: And one of the things that we’re doing. Of course we have more control over our own Civil service requirements. is trying to you know, make them to modernize them.
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: and which hopefully will streamline them. So talking about, I I. I do not have any desire to talk to my legislature about You know a a grand scale redo of the State Civil Service system. On the other hand, in the umbrella of improving state processes.
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: thinking about hiring processes and talking about how that’s something they should worry about, as well as something that I certainly can’t see as a reasonable thing to bring up.
Pat Showalter, Commissioner: So
Boardroom SX80: any other comments or questions. I have just a couple
Boardroom SX80: I’ve asked Larry to just tell.
Boardroom SX80: those of us who are not intimately familiar with it. A little bit about the terms of these Opc. Scc. Grants, and my second question
Boardroom SX80: is really a follow up to Commissioner showalters it. It sounds as if there are many barriers.
Boardroom SX80: There are many difficulties, and virtually none of them are within our control. And if there are some that are within our control, and I think
Boardroom SX80: you know, maybe. as you were saying, I knew, put the word out about positions that we are recruiting for.
Boardroom SX80: and If there are others very specific like that, I I’m sure that the Commissioners will be happy to help in the ways that we can help. But it sounds to me like the those ways are fairly limited. I think the structural ones probably are. So 2 responses. Thank you. Chair Eisen. First, you’ll remember that the Ocean Protection Council and State Coastal Conservancy grants that were awarded to us
Boardroom SX80: are upwards of between 2 and a half and 3 and a half years, depending upon how long they go, how many we have, and so on, and those are providing us with. I’m looking at Jessica 6 new positions which we have all filled at this point. We’ve
Boardroom SX80: I’m pretty sure we’ve all thought we we have 5 out of the 6 is that I’m trying to remember. Go ahead, Jessica. We’ve hired 5 out of 6, and maybe 6 out of the 6, but depending on whether an offer that was made yesterday, that’s what that’s what I was one, and and I hadn’t received words. So it’s either 5 out of 6 or 6 out of 6. And then the the great thing about that is that many of those have been filled by
Boardroom SX80: existing Bcdc. Staff, which has allowed for new staff to come in, and that upward mobility so and so, but but they will expire, and so we will be working with the department of Finance and Cnra to make sure that they don’t expire. And that’s that that’s on us, and we will do so, and we get we. We certainly hope that because rising sea level isn’t going to stop that support will not stop.
Boardroom SX80: We have never sent around to commissioners a list of open positions, saying, Please spread these around to your people. At least we don’t do it very, very often we’re happy to do so, but at the same time I’m cognizant that you, as 13 local elected officials, don’t want us poaching your people as
this Commissioner on Diego not shakes his head. And so we haven’t done that. But what we will do is and what I will. What I will say that we will do is, we will certainly consider sending you, for example, a few that we think are key, especially on the senior side, that you may be interested in seeing, and, you know, sending off to folks whom you do. And of course we do use the Linkedin.
and you know all of the different ways that we can. We can get people anew is working closely with a corporate. I’m not going to, I said a corporate recruiter, because that’s the way I tend to think about this. An Hr. Recruiter for the regulatory director position. So we’re paying extra for that. And we do that on on certain occasions for the senior positions. Just so the word can get out there even more.
Boardroom SX80: Okay, good. That was a wonderful briefing. We all appreciate it very much. We don’t have to take any action with respect to that today.
So that brings us to adjournment. I need a motion and a second to adjourn. The meeting
Boardroom SX80: on moves to adjourn a Diego seconds. Anybody opposed raise your hand, otherwise we are adjourned. Thank you very much.